How AI is breaking cybersecurity | Decoder

I’ve always enjoyed talking to security expert Alex Stamos because he’s so direct — and he doesn't mince words about how the multibillion dollar cybersecurity industry as we’ve known it is all but doomed thanks to the unrelenting, AI-boosted waves of hacks, breaches, and attacks. That much disruption means a lot of places where bad guys can get in while everyone else is left scrambling. Alex isn’t a doomer in the long run, but he does think we've got a dark age to get through before things get better. 0:00 Cold open 0:39 Intro 2:02 A month of breaches 4:05 AI and the kill chain 7:00 Back to the '90s 8:46 How cybersecurity was built 10:07 The old security era is over 14:35 North Korea and China 16:21 Making defense cheaper 20:41 A coming dark age 24:01 Rewrite Linux 30:47 The Hugging Face wake-up call 32:49 Red team yourself 36:27 AI agents and "swarm" 42:23 Should AI labs be liable? 45:22 Should AI slow down? 49:31 AI slop on Instagram 52:35 Proving what's real 57:23 Signs of recovery 1:00:04 Wrap-up Follow Decoder on TikTok: @decoderpod Follow Decoder on Instagram: @decoderpod Subscribe: http://goo.gl/G5RXGs Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLvX Follow on TikTok: http://bit.ly/42VeCVU Watch The Vergecast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/40RFRkg The Vergecast Podcast: https://bit.ly/3WQDexZ Decoder with Nilay Patel: http://apple.co/3v29nDc More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Read More: http://www.theverge.com Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr Shop our Verge merch store here: https://bit.ly/4kPCmEc If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may receive a commission without exerting any influence on editorial content